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	<title>Comments on: Frank Ury Omitted Several Of His Past Council Votes To Maintain Lifetime Medical Benefits For Council Members When He Appeared Before The Republican Party Endorsement Committee</title>
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		<title>By: Frank Ury Lack of Candor With GOP Central Committee Leads to Reversal of Endorsement</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Ury Lack of Candor With GOP Central Committee Leads to Reversal of Endorsement]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Greg Woodard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Woodard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank, 

As I understand your response, you initially voted to re-instate lifetime medical benefits for council members in November 2008 because Gail Reavis was making a stink about the Council not being able to take benefits away from current council members.  I have seen the correspondence, and I would agree that Reavis was pestering staff and the City Attorney for answers.  The City Attorney in November 2008 stated arguments both for and against re-instating the benefits.  On the pro side, it stated that the benefits program allowed it to be changed, and Attorney General decisions supported that.  On the con side, it said that no court case had yet addressed the decision, so it was unclear how a court would come down on the issue.  The City Attorney then did what nearly every City Attorney does - it recommended the most conservative approach, which was to re-instate the benefits.  While I disagree with your vote, I am always happy to hear your reasoning.  However, in 2010, Reavis was no longer on the Council and no longer eligible for lifetime medical benefits, yet you still twice voted against rescinding the lifetime medical benefits.  You appear to state that this was &quot;sideshow theater&quot; and rely on the affidavit you submitted.  That&#039;s fine.  I also am happy to hear if you have any other justification for voting against rescinding lifetime medical benefits for council members.  Trish Kelley also signed the affidavit claiming no right to benefits, but she also voted the second time to rescind the benefits.  If you just wanted to vote against Cathy Schlicht&#039;s motion, that&#039;s your right as well.  As I stated in my post, I cannot agree with any vote that would allow lifetime benefits to part-time council members.

Regardless, this is what I like so much about this blog.  There was far too little time at the Endorsement Committee to flesh out all of these issues.  My point was that I felt you were misleading the Committee on your votes and I wanted them all out there.  I still don&#039;t know why you wouldn&#039;t vote to rescind lifetime medical benefits, even if you believed it was purely theater, but I welcome your response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, </p>
<p>As I understand your response, you initially voted to re-instate lifetime medical benefits for council members in November 2008 because Gail Reavis was making a stink about the Council not being able to take benefits away from current council members.  I have seen the correspondence, and I would agree that Reavis was pestering staff and the City Attorney for answers.  The City Attorney in November 2008 stated arguments both for and against re-instating the benefits.  On the pro side, it stated that the benefits program allowed it to be changed, and Attorney General decisions supported that.  On the con side, it said that no court case had yet addressed the decision, so it was unclear how a court would come down on the issue.  The City Attorney then did what nearly every City Attorney does &#8211; it recommended the most conservative approach, which was to re-instate the benefits.  While I disagree with your vote, I am always happy to hear your reasoning.  However, in 2010, Reavis was no longer on the Council and no longer eligible for lifetime medical benefits, yet you still twice voted against rescinding the lifetime medical benefits.  You appear to state that this was &#8220;sideshow theater&#8221; and rely on the affidavit you submitted.  That&#8217;s fine.  I also am happy to hear if you have any other justification for voting against rescinding lifetime medical benefits for council members.  Trish Kelley also signed the affidavit claiming no right to benefits, but she also voted the second time to rescind the benefits.  If you just wanted to vote against Cathy Schlicht&#8217;s motion, that&#8217;s your right as well.  As I stated in my post, I cannot agree with any vote that would allow lifetime benefits to part-time council members.</p>
<p>Regardless, this is what I like so much about this blog.  There was far too little time at the Endorsement Committee to flesh out all of these issues.  My point was that I felt you were misleading the Committee on your votes and I wanted them all out there.  I still don&#8217;t know why you wouldn&#8217;t vote to rescind lifetime medical benefits, even if you believed it was purely theater, but I welcome your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Holtzman</title>
		<link>http://ocpolitical.com/2012/09/16/frank-ury-omitted-several-of-his-past-council-votes-to-maintain-lifetime-medical-benefits-for-council-members-when-he-appeared-before-the-republican-party-endorsement-committee/#comment-7538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Holtzman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ury voted for lifetime health benefits before he voted against it after he voted for it-- then voted for it- then wrote a letter to cover his waffling to and fro.    Suggest Waffel award for F. Ury !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ury voted for lifetime health benefits before he voted against it after he voted for it&#8211; then voted for it- then wrote a letter to cover his waffling to and fro.    Suggest Waffel award for F. Ury !</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Ury</title>
		<link>http://ocpolitical.com/2012/09/16/frank-ury-omitted-several-of-his-past-council-votes-to-maintain-lifetime-medical-benefits-for-council-members-when-he-appeared-before-the-republican-party-endorsement-committee/#comment-7533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Ury]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg, I am am the person who brought forward the atrocity of Lifetime Medical benefits for ALL city employees, including council members.  We removed those benefits for all employee going forward, including council members.  It was voted in originally by Gilbert protege JP Ledesma (before my time, funny how you never ask how that happened with &quot;watchdog&quot; oversight).  The only two council members elected before the elimination were myself and Trish Kelley.  We both signed the irrevocable declining of those benefits over two years ago.  The issue is done.

All the other votes put forth since have been sideshow theater, which you have obviously bought in to.  You will note in my comments at those meetings that I do not support &quot;symbol over substance&quot; in my voting.  If if makes you feel better, have Schlicht put it on every agenda, it will still carry less weight than me declining it myself. 

And the reason for rescinding the previous vote was the squealing that Gail Reavis was doing via email that the council could not take away the benefit from other council members.  Send me your email address, I will forward her emails on to you. After months of sparring, the city attorney told us it would be better to revoke the prior vote and decline individually, which we have all done.

No current or future city council member will ever receive lifetime medical.

And since you are an attorney, please confirm for all that my turning down of the benefit is valid and legal and that I will never receive this benefit.   This is pretty simple, a direct answer is easy.  If you are unsure, I can have the city attorney assist you.

Frank Ury
Mayor, Mission Viejo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I am am the person who brought forward the atrocity of Lifetime Medical benefits for ALL city employees, including council members.  We removed those benefits for all employee going forward, including council members.  It was voted in originally by Gilbert protege JP Ledesma (before my time, funny how you never ask how that happened with &#8220;watchdog&#8221; oversight).  The only two council members elected before the elimination were myself and Trish Kelley.  We both signed the irrevocable declining of those benefits over two years ago.  The issue is done.</p>
<p>All the other votes put forth since have been sideshow theater, which you have obviously bought in to.  You will note in my comments at those meetings that I do not support &#8220;symbol over substance&#8221; in my voting.  If if makes you feel better, have Schlicht put it on every agenda, it will still carry less weight than me declining it myself. </p>
<p>And the reason for rescinding the previous vote was the squealing that Gail Reavis was doing via email that the council could not take away the benefit from other council members.  Send me your email address, I will forward her emails on to you. After months of sparring, the city attorney told us it would be better to revoke the prior vote and decline individually, which we have all done.</p>
<p>No current or future city council member will ever receive lifetime medical.</p>
<p>And since you are an attorney, please confirm for all that my turning down of the benefit is valid and legal and that I will never receive this benefit.   This is pretty simple, a direct answer is easy.  If you are unsure, I can have the city attorney assist you.</p>
<p>Frank Ury<br />
Mayor, Mission Viejo</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
		<link>http://ocpolitical.com/2012/09/16/frank-ury-omitted-several-of-his-past-council-votes-to-maintain-lifetime-medical-benefits-for-council-members-when-he-appeared-before-the-republican-party-endorsement-committee/#comment-7532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vern Nelson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hm... a &quot;Newbie?&quot;  welcome greg!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hm&#8230; a &#8220;Newbie?&#8221;  welcome greg!</p>
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		<title>By: larrygilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[larrygilbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg. As someone who has just opened a new law practice, combined with your family responsibilities, I commend you for adding a new conservative voice to the OC blogosphere. What is sad is that recommendations were made by the endorsing committee without full vetting of inside baseball issues in our city that are unknown to the full voting members. While the law was changed enabling major party Central Committees to endorse candidates in non partisan races there are times when the body should refrain from issuing those endorsements. This years Missikon Viejo city concil race being a perfect example to avoid exposing our internal dirty laundry. As Dana said yesterday at the Grand Opening of the Laguna Niguel HQ we need to work together to get over 65% of the OC vote. There are multiple &quot;grass roots&quot; Republicans in Mission Viejo who oppose the GOP recommendations. Enought said. Wait until tomorrow for the &quot;rest of the story.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg. As someone who has just opened a new law practice, combined with your family responsibilities, I commend you for adding a new conservative voice to the OC blogosphere. What is sad is that recommendations were made by the endorsing committee without full vetting of inside baseball issues in our city that are unknown to the full voting members. While the law was changed enabling major party Central Committees to endorse candidates in non partisan races there are times when the body should refrain from issuing those endorsements. This years Missikon Viejo city concil race being a perfect example to avoid exposing our internal dirty laundry. As Dana said yesterday at the Grand Opening of the Laguna Niguel HQ we need to work together to get over 65% of the OC vote. There are multiple &#8220;grass roots&#8221; Republicans in Mission Viejo who oppose the GOP recommendations. Enought said. Wait until tomorrow for the &#8220;rest of the story.&#8221;</p>
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